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ogc's avatar

Great article and analysis! I never felt strongly either way, mainly because I didn’t know much about his candidacy or career stats, but you have persuaded me that he was very deserving of prior if not first ballot election!

That’s always been my unhappiness with voting such as this, that there were obvious players who deserved first ballot election and yet there are idiots who would not vote the player in (for me, how could Willie Mays not be unanimous first ballot? Plus, I’m of the belief that Bobby Bonds deserved to be in the HOF as well, though I understand the negatives).

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The baseball Hall of Fame is an odd thing, with voters incentivized to make odd choices in an effort to game the system, instead of just voting for who they think is a Hall of Fame player. The football Hall of Fame gives their voters infinite votes (yes or no on all candidates), and the world has not exploded. Baseball can surely do the same thing, and it'd help people like Billy Wagner.

It must be delineated that it's not the small sample size that causes baseball writers to discredit relief pitchers. If this were the argument (that no pitcher with 900 IP is Cooperstown worthy), it's possible I could get behind it. However, and ironically, all the talk around Billy Wagner exposes that of being quite false, because of the choice of many of his critics to hyper focus on about 12 of his career innings. The postseason ones. Quite frankly, I don't care about 12 inning sample sizes, but I have a feeling this impossibly small sample is what's held Billy out of the Hall for so long. Since evidently the writers care a lot about small sample baseball, they ideologically forfeit their right to hold out on voting for Billy simply because he's a relief pitcher.

What you address in this article is the perception (not fact, but perception) that starters would be better at being relief pitchers than the relief pitchers, and at least in the case of John Smoltz, prove it to be untrue. I'm a big fan of analyses like this, because although you cannot truly prove anything with a single natural experiment like this, it does plant the seed that a Hall of Fame starter being allowed to use full effort for every single inning they pitch like relievers do does not automatically put them at the very top of the RP ranks. It's important to know things like this, because as we advance further and further into baseball history, relief pitchers (the important ones) are going to become a bigger and bigger part of the story, and the myth of the failed starter will either cast a shadow over the entire sport, or it will die.

I'm in the camp of helping this myth die, for the good of the sport, because who wants to continuously hear that the nastiest pitchers in the world are actually kind of mid, and couldn't make it at the more valuable position? That doesn't help anybody, almost certainly doing much more harm for the sport than good. You've gone a great way towards combatting this failed starter myth with me, and for that I thank you.

Great stuff here!

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